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Would the Humvee & Hummer be considered an FSJ decendant ? ?

Postby AMC-390DRW » Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:27 pm

The Humvee is proto typed 79'-81' and was sent to uncle sam for testing in 83' 50K units got order and started production in 85' - present.

Now giving AM-General was the Commercial/Military division of jeep, AM-General was sold off slightly after/before the Contract for production.

So the Humvee and AM-General were under ownership of AMC/Jeep during that time so by technicality wouldn't this make the Mil-spec Humvee and Civilian Hummer an FSJ ? As AM-G produced the 97'/99'+ H1 n 2 for GM sure, but AM-G owned "HUMMER" product line from 92'-97'/99'

So why couldn't Chrysler/Jeep of picked up the Hummer line reuniting Jeep & hummer Just a thought ? ? ?
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Re: Would the Humvee & Hummer be considered an FSJ decendant

Postby Elliott » Tue Feb 08, 2011 8:43 pm

There is a logic to your suggestion and actually it ended up in court with the court deciding that Hummer could keep the 7 bar grill for just those reasons. I don't think Chrysler is in any kind of shape to buy out the Hummer line though, I think it would be a losing proposition and they've had plenty of those... like the Durango, ect. Crysler doesn't have any business owning Jeep anyway... in my opinion. I'd like to buy a Viper, pull the truck motor out of it and drop in a built AMC 401 like the design was considered being built for. Too bad the dash is so freaking boring... couldn't stand looking at that for any distance...
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Re: Would the Humvee & Hummer be considered an FSJ decendant

Postby AMC-390DRW » Tue Feb 08, 2011 9:06 pm

I get what your saying, But I wasn't so much saying Chrysler as much as I ment Jeep should merge in/with AM-General.

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Re: Would the Humvee & Hummer be considered an FSJ decendant

Postby Elliott » Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:25 pm

Boy... I don't know... I'm kinda afraid Jeep is already toast... but then, I still like bamboo fly poles and wood cross X skis (Sundin 6J Elites). :D I mean... the closest real Jeep left out there is built by KIA...
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Re: Would the Humvee & Hummer be considered an FSJ decendant

Postby AMC-390DRW » Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:42 pm

KIA Motors:
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AM-General sold them the Jeep designs in 83' and the larger truck designs in 93' . . . AM General started the M900 series 5tons and A3 series 2.5tons from 83'- 99'. Then small batch of exported A3s in 01' Then AM-G gave up the Medium & Heavy trucks.

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Re: Would the Humvee & Hummer be considered an FSJ decendant

Postby Elliott » Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:48 pm

They've done a pretty decent job with all that too.
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Re: Would the Humvee & Hummer be considered an FSJ decendant

Postby AMC-390DRW » Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:50 pm

AM-G has been mass producing Humvees since 85'-present, But they have done more then Military vehicles . . . They made "Grey hound" style buses for a number of years, they built trams n trolleys for a while, They produced some handy capped wheel chair taxis, and are now assembling Fords fully electric connect vans . . .

Who knows what they'll do next, But my guess is American Motors General is far from done evolving. Only American manufacturer NOT in need of a bail out ;)

KIA Motors seems to doing everything from tiny lil'clown cars to 75K-LB GVW all wheel drive trucks, Their "715" aka KM450 is diesel powered ! ! ! Kaiser used the 230 I6 and AM-General used the 258 I6 Kia uses a diesel ! ! !

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Re: Would the Humvee & Hummer be considered an FSJ decendant

Postby AMC-390DRW » Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:09 am

AM-General Humvee 79'-Present:
Mechanically evolved;
AMC-401/AM-TH400/IS AMC-20 (Prototype only) to GM 6.2-NA/TH400/IS AMC-20 to GM6.5-NA/3L80/IS AMC-20 to GM 6.5-T/4L80E/IS AMC-20 to AM-G 6500/AM-G 4L80E/IS AMG-20 to AM-G 6500/AM-G 1200/AMG-20.
Structurally evolved:
expanded payload/towed loaded Capacities to minor n major body restyling.
Technology advances:
GPS/Radar/Armor/ect . . .

The civilian AM-G Hummer 92'-99'/GM-Hummer 99'-10':
Mechanical updates:
6.5-NA/3L80/AM-20 to 6.5-T/4L80E/AM-20 to D-Max/4L85E-Alison/AM-20.
Technology/Structural Advances:
GM-H2/H3 series added 02'-10'.
Sharing common chassie/power train/axles plate forms of product vehicles.

What did the FSJ get for updates ? 63'-91':
Structurally:
Grills n headlights.
Roof line alteration: brows n brow less.
Mechanically:
TH400 to TF727.
Kaiser/GM/AMC engines to AM-power.
Dana/AMC to Dana/Dana

Parts availability and service ability would have to awarded:
#1 Humvee.
#2 Hummer.
#3 FSJ.

I guess when broken down, All 3 Rigs differed greatly . . . So not an FSJ ! ! !
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Re: Would the Humvee & Hummer be considered an FSJ decendant

Postby Elliott » Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:37 pm

Did they really put a AMC 401 in the prototype? That would be cooler than xxxx! Love to see some pics of that!
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Re: Would the Humvee & Hummer be considered an FSJ decendant

Postby AMC-390DRW » Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:39 pm

1979 American Motors General "Humvee" prototype:
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The 79'-81' Prototype's were powered by a heavy duty version of AMC's 401 V8 engine, Turbo hydromatic 400 transmission, Spicer transfer case, and was equipped the all new independent suspension Model 20 which were made from case aluminum.

The powerful but inefficient AMC V8 wasn't producing enough vehicle range to meet military specifications. The vehicle had some stability concerns. vehicle was expanded into the "Humvee" we know to this day. AM General decided to power this new "humvee" with the all new GM-6.2L diesel engine.

This Vehicle was sent to the US Armed forces for testing and evaluation, A contract was signed for 55,000 units by 1985 AM General rolled the first of many humvees off the assembly line.


First production Humvee 1985:
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This is all I could find
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Re: Would the Humvee & Hummer be considered an FSJ decendant

Postby Elliott » Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:06 pm

Interesting, I wonder what they did with a 401 to make it any more HD than it was OEM? Maybe add 4 bolt main caps... but beyond that.... ? I can definately understand the concerns about the range of a 401. ;)
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Re: Would the Humvee & Hummer be considered an FSJ decendant

Postby Elliott » Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:23 pm

Where is the source for the info on the AMC motor? AM General apparently left that bit out of their history....
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Re: Would the Humvee & Hummer be considered an FSJ decendant

Postby AMC-390DRW » Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:37 pm

The AMC-401 V8 wiki :
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_V8_e ... ected=true

215hp n 320tq / 255hp 335tq they listed a third at 235hp / ???tq the torque was plank.
I figure it was the 235hp or 255hp engines ? . . ? Now 71' it made 330hp n 430tq ? ? ?

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Re: Would the Humvee & Hummer be considered an FSJ decendant

Postby Elliott » Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:43 pm

In '71 they still measured HP/Torque net.... ;)
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Re: Would the Humvee & Hummer be considered an FSJ decendant

Postby AMC-390DRW » Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:08 pm

I'm trying to find were that blurb is that I quoted was, I knew I should of book marked it . . . Ya the AM-General site seemed to have gloss over its history just a general summary from 1903 - present day they had the photos on there but they showed up rather small.

So a searched 1979 Humvee prototypes, I came up with the larger photos and that little blurb about its beginnings.
I thought it was kind of cool as it referred to AM-General as "American Motors General" . . .

I miss my computer ! ! ! I been using my phone for the last 2 or 3 months and searches n linking via blackberry test ones nerve ! ! !

I'll keep snooping it can't be that hard to find right ? ? ? Lol
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